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    Damo commented  · 

    I just checked back to see what's changed in the last 18 months or so :-)

    I've had a great, relaxing weekend, camping, hanging out on the beach, and getting all these great ideas that I've put into my MLO inbox and promised myself that THIS time, I'll get them done! Now I just need to make that a fact... and I logged in to check whether there's any progress on making MLO a bit more helpful for me in that!

    As always, the feature that I really miss from MLO is a calendar view. I DO see that the iPad v2 version proposes that there is one in development, with a tasks-per-day view. That looks great.... but... I still need more.

    You see, there's two ways of thinking about the calendar view. I presume most people are talking about being able to see the tasks in MLO that have a date and time, in their calendar, so that they can plan around them. Now, that's very handy - but it only really works for tasks you create that have fixed dates and times.

    For me, the problem is completing the tasks that DON'T have an assigned date/time. What I need a calendar view for, is to be able to drag-and-drop *un*-dated/timed tasks that are highest priority in my list, INTO my calendar - to take the tasks that otherwise lurk in the background with no assigned timeslot, and fix them with a solid date/time in my calendar so that I commit myself to work on them!

    It not only helps me to commit, it also helps me avoid planning to "do that tonight", forgetting that I'd already planned to do some other task tonight. Ideally, it would even force me to cancel meetings and appointments, to make way for more important tasks that I would otherwise only put in the gaps between those meetings.

    I recently found yet another new app that comes close-ish. I saw a review for Timeful on Lifehacker: (http://lifehacker.com/timeful-intelligently-arranges-tasks-and-events-on-your-1616073913). While it looks nowhere sophisticated enough to replace MLO (nor is on Windows, etc), it does do one thing that I want to do - allow me to drag-and-drop tasks into specific timeslots (see 00:30 in the video). It even autolearns and autoplans - again, something I can do without - but in its place, having MLO consider the place/context that I will be at (and is open) when it auto-schedules, would be great!

    Ideally, I could sit in the MLO interface and see all my calendars (synced from Outlook, say) in a day/week view, along with my next tasks by priority on the side. I could then drag-drop the tasks into the gaps in my calendar - maybe allow a few tasks to be dropped into the same timeslot (eg. "I'm going shopping from 10-12 tomorrow, and I need to do these things - in this order" // "I should call Marcel at 9am tomorrow, and I have these 5 different things from different projects to discuss with him").

    At present, the best case is that in the evening I will look at the next MLO tasks, then switch to Outlook and create appointments for those tasks, to ensure they're scheduled in. It comes to the same end, but it requires me to manually transpose everything from MLO into Outlook, which a lot of additional manual effort. It also clutters my schedule, and requires switching between tools a lot.

    I guess another way of saying it, is that I'm looking for a Gantt chart auto-integrated with my existing Outlook schedule, in a Calendar View! It would just be nice to be able to do all of this management in one tool - MLO - in a quick and productive way!

    <cross posted to a few other relevant threads>

    Damian

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    Damo commented  · 

    Just to add to this (I googled it, and found this post, forgetting I had posted it before :-) ).

    When I start the week, I look at my calendar, and decide what tasks I'm going to do on what days, fitting around my booked schedule, and deadlines.

    - iOS Reminders's default view is a 'tasks by day' view
    - MS Outlook calendar shows 'tasks by day' on the bottom
    - OminFocus shows 'tasks by day'
    - Many ToDo/GTD apps have 'Today', 'Next days (by day)', 'Sometime' views

    MLO *needs* this. I need this!

    To re-iterate. "Due date" is the 'last minute', 'due by this date' timestamp - it can't be used for planning the date you actually plan to work on the task, as you should ideally do it some time before, as is good GTD practice.

    In an ideal world, I would be able to:
    - Let MLO iPhone / Desktop dynamically load my Outlook/iOS Calendar into its own calendar
    - Let me 'drag and drop' tasks from my various MLO task views into the slots between my scheduled appointments, based on my own planning
    - Provide reminders/a 'now' view to keep focus and action these tasks, as the day progresses

    As a bonus:
    - Let MLO review my intended task scheduling, and show any obvious exceptions (eg. a task with a due date soon is not yet planned; a task's due date is after the planned work date/time; a task is planned to be worked on, but the dependancy has not been completed; etc.

    I'll file this as a separate Feature Request, as it may diverge from the basic calendar view.

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    Damo commented  · 

    I just checked back to see what's changed in the last 18 months or so :-)

    I've had a great, relaxing weekend, camping, hanging out on the beach, and getting all these great ideas that I've put into my MLO inbox and promised myself that THIS time, I'll get them done! Now I just need to make that a fact... and I logged in to check whether there's any progress on making MLO a bit more helpful for me in that!

    As always, the feature that I really miss from MLO is a calendar view. I DO see that the iPad v2 version proposes that there is one in development, with a tasks-per-day view. That looks great.... but... I still need more.

    You see, there's two ways of thinking about the calendar view. I presume most people are talking about being able to see the tasks in MLO that have a date and time, in their calendar, so that they can plan around them. Now, that's very handy - but it only really works for tasks you create that have fixed dates and times.

    For me, the problem is completing the tasks that DON'T have an assigned date/time. What I need a calendar view for, is to be able to drag-and-drop *un*-dated/timed tasks that are highest priority in my list, INTO my calendar - to take the tasks that otherwise lurk in the background with no assigned timeslot, and fix them with a solid date/time in my calendar so that I commit myself to work on them!

    It not only helps me to commit, it also helps me avoid planning to "do that tonight", forgetting that I'd already planned to do some other task tonight. Ideally, it would even force me to cancel meetings and appointments, to make way for more important tasks that I would otherwise only put in the gaps between those meetings.

    I recently found yet another new app that comes close-ish. I saw a review for Timeful on Lifehacker: (http://lifehacker.com/timeful-intelligently-arranges-tasks-and-events-on-your-1616073913). While it looks nowhere sophisticated enough to replace MLO (nor is on Windows, etc), it does do one thing that I want to do - allow me to drag-and-drop tasks into specific timeslots (see 00:30 in the video). It even autolearns and autoplans - again, something I can do without - but in its place, having MLO consider the place/context that I will be at (and is open) when it auto-schedules, would be great!

    Ideally, I could sit in the MLO interface and see all my calendars (synced from Outlook, say) in a day/week view, along with my next tasks by priority on the side. I could then drag-drop the tasks into the gaps in my calendar - maybe allow a few tasks to be dropped into the same timeslot (eg. "I'm going shopping from 10-12 tomorrow, and I need to do these things - in this order" // "I should call Marcel at 9am tomorrow, and I have these 5 different things from different projects to discuss with him").

    At present, the best case is that in the evening I will look at the next MLO tasks, then switch to Outlook and create appointments for those tasks, to ensure they're scheduled in. It comes to the same end, but it requires me to manually transpose everything from MLO into Outlook, which a lot of additional manual effort. It also clutters my schedule, and requires switching between tools a lot.

    I guess another way of saying it, is that I'm looking for a Gantt chart auto-integrated with my existing Outlook schedule, in a Calendar View! It would just be nice to be able to do all of this management in one tool - MLO - in a quick and productive way!

    <cross posted to a few other relevant threads>

    Damian

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    Damo commented  · 

    I would like a Gantt chart as well. I see value from both sides:
    - Input: For designing and planning project timelines - draw out the Gantt chart tasks, and see them realised as tasks in MLO with dependancies and due dates (see Toms Planner for a great design)
    - Output: For reviewing project progress - see the overall progress against the original plan - the intention to be to motivate the viewer to focus on the critical tasks

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    Damo commented  · 

    I doubt there'll be much effort wasted on mollification :-) Andrey rarely goes back and changes a chosen feature design even after decent uproar (eg. new MLO4 Google Style white view, counter-Style Guide design of iPhone App, etc). ;-)

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    Damo commented  · 

    I would argue this is defunct now